Personnage
What is Art of War? Just purple fog. That's dull and has nothing to do with war. How long did it take to come up with that animation? Are they super proud of some particles in the purple war fog?
When I first started out with FF14, I was strictly into Monk style. I found out late that the pet classes were cool too. Having a familiar attack or heal even when you're running for your life from AOEs is a big help. I love Summoner and recently got into Scholar too. I still like both better than White Mage and Black Mage. Less power but faster and more constant, which is what I'm into. Now I have a class for any situation, Machinst, Ninja, Monk, Summoner, and Scholar.
But since I got into Scholar so late I never knew how butchered it was. People told tales online about how it went from one of the best healers with a bunch of no-to-obvious attacks, to a generic healer who can make barriers. Something ALL of the healers can do. They took away any spells or skills that made Scholar a huge threat in the list of best or most interesting classes. I like it but I fear I'd hate what it became if I lived thru the time it had all the skills it used to have still intact. Now all it can do is use dull looking spells that the Summoner class can use better. I've talked about this over and over in the game to people. Other players are mad about it too. And I'm one of the few who stick with the class out of genuine love for it. Most switch to White Mage because it's easier and more rewarding. It has atks, lots of them, and no other class shares those attacks.
I just don't think even when Endwalker comes out that Scholar will ever have any spells or abilities that will look interest, cool, or be as helpful as other classes. And that's a crying shame. It seem like they want to just keep giving it weak healing spells as if it doesn't already have plenty. I mean it still have Physick left over from the Arcanist days even when it gets Adlo and Excog. With Succor and Sacred Soil you don't really need Deployment Tactics. And it'd be better to make it so you can use the spells it has more often or faster. But I even have that covered with my super high spell speed.
There are spells I absolutely never use. Dissipation. Ather Pact (no need I watch the tank and the party like a hawk). And I barely use Deployment Tactics since I use Succor and Recitation a lot. To me every class has at least 2 useless skills. But knowing what Scholar had makes it sickening.
Please Square. Please let Scholar be like White Mage and Astro, and have interesting and cool attacks and not just a bunch of half-ass healing moves with sparkles.
Miasma 2 was just a DoT like any other and Eye for an Eye was usable by White Mages too so either one hardly made Scholar unique.
Lustrate used to be hot garbage in ARR so if anything the transition from ARR to HW made Scholar better even at level 50.
My point is what they do have no is dull stuff. You get all the way to level 80 and none of your atks feel anything final like a level 80 move. Even your spells that heal don't feel like much. Scholar doesn't have to be a DPS but it could use a few move atks other than the small amount it has and how little you can do tactically with them. DPS with Biolysis. Broil 3 and Ruin 2. Art of War. None of them seem interesting or look cool. It feels like a dick move to Scholars fans.
All the healers only have like 3 dps moves. They're only there so that healers can do solo content.
But that's not very rewarding. You hit lv80 and all you're doing is Ruin 2 and Broil 3? Come on! All you really need is one small heal spell, one med heal, one large heal, a regen for healing over time, and barriers or protection spells. After that you get redundant. Scholar has Physick, Adlo, Excog, Sacred Soil, Lustrate, Succor, whispering dawn, fey blessing, Indomi, Aetherpact, and Consolation. You can lose a few of those for atks.
Meanwhile WHM gets Dia, Glare, Holy, Assize, and Afflatus Misery for atks. And they're potent. 900 dmg for Misery. Dia does 120 dmg and 60 more over time. Glare does 300.And Holy does only 120 but it stuns.
Assize atks foes and heals!!!!
The 900 potency thing is only when you fill the blood lily gauge or whatever it is. Scholar has a 290 spell and a 210 potency DoT. And due to the fairy Scholar gets to dps more than White Mage does.
Who dps with a fairy?
Come on. Astro and WHM have way more going for them than Scholar. You can make Scholar work, and I do, but it doesnt change that their skill set is dull and uninspired. Art of War is purple fog. What does that have to do with War?
I play scholar and when I saw all they got was another healing sparkling spell at level 80 i was disappointed. I have plenty. I just hope when Endwalker comes we get a few more atks. You only need about 4 healing moves, period.
You don't even do endgame content so I hardly feel like you are in the position to judge what it does and doesn't need. I guarantee you need more than 4 healing abilities.
And what I meant about the fairy was that the fairy healing means that you have to heal less and thereby can be casting damage spells more often.
Also Scholar does more dps than Astrologian. Which makes sense because Astrologian has the highest party dps buffs. Scholar has more dps buffs than White Mage so does less dps.
I do do end game content. I dont stop play just because I hit max level. What do they do going forward? All these healing spells already so what will they get going from level 80 to 90? More healing spell? Nonsense.
Endgame means extreme trials, savage raids, and ultimates, not just playing at level 80. I can tell by your achievements that you do none of that. That is the sort of content that requires full use of your kit, more than just 4 spells.
Okay with all they have so far healing wise with Scholar up to level 80, what would be the harm in a few atks from level 80 to 90? You keep dodging that question. It's not like Scholar needs more healing spells. It has plenty.
Fey Blessing does 300 heal and Consolation does 350 with a barrier. Making Fey Blessing which you get by banking points in you gauge redundant. Deployment tactics spreads one person's barrier to allies but you can do that anyway with Succor. There's too much redundancy in Scholar to warrant not one good atk spell past 80. But WHM didnt even have to wait till 80 for a way to do 900 dmg all at once. And they say Scholar was a dps class before. Smh
Correction. Fey Bless does 350. And Consolation does 300. But still scholar has more than enough barrier and healing skills and spells. Going forward at least one big damage attack would help.
So I can tell from this that you have no idea how to play Scholar. It helps to actually read the tooltips rather than just looking at the numbers.
Consolation is only usable by Seraph which you can only get for 22 seconds every 2 minutes. Fey Blessing is used by Eos/Selene. There's no redundancy there. Use Seraph when you need big shields and just have the fairy to heal everything else.
As for Deployment Tactics, it's meant to be used with Adloquium. It used to be better before they changed how critlos worked, but it's still almost twice as strong of a shield as Succor, and it's free.
And about dps, I did already answer that. Healer dps is properly balanced at the moment. The reason White Mage has a strong dps ability is because they have no party dps buffs. They need increased personal dps to make up for it. Scholar does not need more dps spells, aside from maybe replacing the normal ones like they usually do.
I've been playing scholar for 2 months now. I know what I'm doing. I know that some spells are done by the fairy or angel you summon. My point is once you hit 80 you dont need more healing spells. Giving scholar more healing spells during the next expansion is redundant. How many do you need? I win with only a few of them unless the time comes when I need them. Excog, Adlo, Lustrate and Succor are enough. But some atls would help.
One atk spell that is an AoE you can cast without walking up near enemies would be an godsend for Scholar. Just one. They can at least do that for Scholar during Endwalk. And if they need more Buff spells, how about one that raises everyone barriers or def or cancels the dmg on the next dmg received.
And maybe even access to some different tactical spells depending on if you use Eos or Selene. And if they dont want you to be able to do that. Why not just have both out at once if all they're there for cosmetic. Smh no other class is like that. Summoning a familiar with no tactical change what so ever. There are stark changes depending on what you summon as summoner. To have both fairies do the same stuff and even the angel only do slightly better stuff is weak.
Sorry but no, you clearly don't know what you're doing.
You've only been playing it for two months? So why were you talking about Eye for an Eye and Miasma 2? Scholar hasn't had those for a lot longer than two months. Do you even know what they did? They were garbage.
Their kit is based around endgame content. So if you don't do endgame content then you definitely have no right to say what they do or don't need. Even in dungeons it would make your life a lot easier if you used the whole kit.
Why are you so against them adding even one atk? One AoE you can cast from a distance without getting near the mobs. Why do you dislike that idea?
I read about the skill they removed on a wikia site. I've been play scholar since January. I like it but all I ask is that they stop giving it healing moves since it has an army of them already. All i want is a few move atks so I can kill 2 or move enemies without being near them which is what art of war requires. That doesnt seem unreasonable. Yet you seem to hate it. Why?
Just because you read about them doesn't mean you know how they work. They were awful.
Miasma 2 did a total of 200 potency, so on single target it was never even used because the single target spells were better, and on AoE it was still pretty bad. Art of War is somewhat meant to replace it, it does almost as much damage on a single cast.
Eye for an Eye had a pretty decent chance to do nothing at all. Even when it did do something it was pretty lackluster and not reliable in any way.
And SE is trying to get rid of the idea of AoE healer dps. Which is fine because frankly it was way too high. On big pulls in dungeons for example it wasn't unusual for the healer to be doing just as much if not more dps than the actual dps.
Holy used to be 600 potency, and wasn't locked behind a mechanic like Afflatus Misery is. Arcanist used to have a third DoT and Scholar used to be able to use Bane.
Healers shouldn't do as much damage as a dps job, simple as that.
Kyju, Scholar if melded appropriately, and played even more accurately can essentially provide all the dps you'll need. Also keep in mind, Shielding provides extra protection for tanks/ dps/ co-healer that allows their uptime to be more efficient. So when you factor in the overall value of SCH it is more than a Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze. Not to mention that "Purple Haze" carries a lot of utility to large groups in Dungeon situations. I know you're looking for flash, but SCH isn't going to get it.
I dont want a healer doing as much as a dps. I want to play scholar and atk a group of foes without having to be near them. It's not safe to venture into a pile of foes with art of war. I dont get why they gave you a spell the for AoE but you need to be near an enemy when a healer should never come near foes. Astro has Gravity. And WHM has Misery. So why does Scholar get nothing that atks more than one foe but Art of War?
White Mage can't use Afflatus Misery more than once every minute and a half minimum.
And why is it dangerous to be next to mobs? If you're fighting stuff solo in the overworld, the mobs are going to be right next to you within the next cast anyways, and if you're doing party content then the tank should be holding aggro.
But the tank isnt always able to hold the enemy's attention. And still stray AoEs pop up in a big mob of scrapping monsters and a tank.
Here's a question: you learn Art of War at 46 and it does 160. Then you get a passive at 54 that says it raises the Art of War dmg to 160. But it was already 160. Does that mean it gets 160 plus 160?
If the tank can't hold aggro then they're probably not using tank stance, since tanking is very easy now. Also it's better to bring any stray mobs to the tank anyways so that they don't have to move far or can inadvertently take any mobs they didn't see. So if you're already in close then it's better. And if there's an AoE then you just... move? It's really not that complicated. And many mobs also have AoEs that are targeted on players so being far out isn't necessarily safer.
And no, Art of War is 160. Maybe it's just an error in the trait description I don't know, but it's still 160.
I still say an AoE to blast foes from a distance is better. You are a mage anyway. Mages fight at a distance and both other healers get one. But not Scholar. That's not okay IMO.
And they need to fix that type on Art of War because it's still there in the info on each classes skills on the website for Lodestone.
On the lodestone database all the listed damage on skills is at level 80. That means all traits are already included.
And again White Mage only gets a distant AoE spell once every 90 seconds. They still have to get close to cast any AoE aside from that.
Once every 90secs is still better than Scholar never being able to do it.
It really isn't.
Well when endwalk starts we'll see what happens. Scholar has a lots of healing spells and not one range AoE. So if they dump more healing spells in there I'll live with it. But if they give me even one ranged AoE I'll be happy.
They didnt want scholar to be a DPS but did they ask anyone if they liked it as it was before they changed it? I doubt it.
And I bet a lot of scholar players would love having a range AoE.
They didn't ask anyone because game balance is more important than fun. I sure would find it a lot of fun if I had an attack that was 1 million potency but that will never happen.
And I don't think as many people liked it as you would think, healer dps has been one of the most controversial topics on this game since the beginning. If it wasn't for solo content healers probably wouldn't have any damage spells at all.
But even if wasnt solo content there are still times healers end up alone swarmed by mobs as things go wrong and allies get killed in a battle. Not being able to atk at all seem dumb. Every class should be able to do a little bit of everything. Just some are better at certain things than others. What about people who only healer and live by that life. It'd be a big middle finger to them to tell them only heal people and never atk. And attacks at level 80 should be cool and interesting. Why not?
If you're swarmed by mobs as a healer you're going to be either too busy healing yourself, running away, or dead to be doing any dps. If you want to save a run when things go wrong as a healer you should be resing/healing people, not worrying about damage. Every healer also has skills that are made for saving things when things go wrong. But honestly with how little consequence there is for wiping in this game it's generally better to just let yourself die and everybody reset and try again.
And there are people who believe that healers shouldn't do any dps at all and should only heal. That's what the contention is all about. The hardcore/endgame players think that any time you're not casting is bad, and try to force the more casual players into dpsing when they may not be good enough or simply don't want to. Yoshi P himself has come out and said that healer dps isn't a requirement even in endgame content. SE is trying to steer away from that to make everyone happy.
I dont think making healers only heal will make everyone happy. When I play as a healer I can survive FATES longer than I can as a DPS who cant heal at all and get swarmed. But I wouldnt be able to do a FATE at all with no atks what so ever.
It boggles my mind that you dont want healers to have an AOE range atk. But no atks at all is just ridiculous.
You can do FATEs without attacking at all. FATE contribution is based on enmity gained, not damage dealt. Healers are the easiest to do FATEs because they can both AoE heal and do damage. I'm pretty sure even if you were solo you could just heal random people and still get full credit.
And FATEs still follow the same logic as everything else. If you're worried about being attacked by a lot of mobs then you shouldn't be using AoEs to begin with. If you get attacked because someone dies well that's probably because you're too busy doing dps instead of doing your job and healing.
And I have never said what I want. I understand that what SE wants is more important so what I want doesn't really matter. So there's really no point in discussing my own opinion.
I'm talking about soloing a FATE. How would you do that alone as a healer that. Has no atks?
If you dont want to discuss you opinion then all you're doing is regurgitating back to me stuff Square has said. I got no interest in someone speaking if they cant even put their own ideas on the line and state what they want. I'm up front about what I want. A single AoE for Scholar that's all. No asking much. And since it has lots of heal spells theres no harm in one AoE you can use from a distance.
Kyju, I'm confused to what you are really fighting for.
-You say you want SCH to have a "Distanced AOE".
-You mentioned you don't feel a healer should be close to the tank
-You mentioned you as a SCH have too many heals as is.
-You mentioned you don't SCH purple haze is boring and "Uninteresting.
-You mentioned you feel they keep giving it "weak healing spells".
-You mention you don't even use Dissipation NOR Ather Pact <.<
-and my favorite..."You don't really need Deployment Tactics". WUT??
I started learning healer with SCH. I liked the healing support, and shields. But later enjoyed AST and Whm because of the diversity. I still love tanking far more, but keeping with the TOPIC.
FIrst, PLEASSE..PLEASE hear me out... Deployment Tactics is soooo...FUCKING AWESOME. You throw a shield on yourself..run in close to the rest of the party ( More on this later) and ..DEPLOY it. FREE SHIELDS to everyone. WHY would you not use that? Especially on big pulls???
ON healers being far away....I really REALLY don't buy into that. First off, must tanks are pulling ALL THE SHIT. So you being far away means dead tank. Should you be next/in front of the tank? NOPE. BUT you should be in Mele range CLOSE by. WHY? Some tanks PULL, STOP, PULL..stutter...PULL more and loose adds wander away. You then gather them to the tank, they *hopefully AOE enmity them in and you keep doing you. With AOW it's quick, easy, and you can weave it in....what's NOT to like about it
SO yea...being 9488958599858958588 miles away as a ranged dps or healer...um not needed imo. Out of harms way yes, but in BF Egypt?? Highly unnecessary. Remember Kyju each healer has a personality, this is the personality of the SCH.
SHIELD / AOE in close/ SPREAD SHIELDS/ little fairy follows you around...until you..... EAT IT
why do you eat it?? STACKS..STACKS..INCREASED HEALING for a few seconds. Did I mention free stacks? AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOOD...aetherpact is so helpful...USE IT PLS.
"I'm talking about soloing a FATE"
So what good would a ranged AoE do in that situation? One cast and then the mobs would be in melee range anyways. Plus when you're soloing FATEs AoE is generally bad because too many mobs attacking you = you being dead. Which are both things I have already mentioned.
"A single AoE for Scholar that's all"
Except for all that stuff you were saying about Eye for an Eye and Miasma 2. Oh yeah and saying how you think it has too many heals.
The other reason I don't want to discuss my opinion is because my opinion stems from playing Scholar in ARR/early HW. You have already displayed a lack of understanding of how Scholar was back then so I feel it would be rather futile to discuss.
Also how about this idea: Maybe if you want to dps... you should play a dps? All the caster dps even have ranged AoEs so you wouldn't have to worry about that. Or if you want the Scholar to have dps like White Mage, you could just play White Mage?
Its fast to just use Succor and Sacred soil than deployment tactics. I use it but it not as helpful all the time. I guess I'll just switch up when I cast it. Do it before a fight and not during. That might be on me there that I'm not getting as much mileage.
A range AoE would make it so I can take out two enemies at once if both their HP is low. As it stand you can on do that by running in near them. That not okay. Why give two other healers and likely Sage later aoe at range but not Scholar? Would one range AoE ruin Scholar as a class? No. It won't.
I do play dps I have a summoner, ninja, monk, and a machinist. But none of them can heal. And I want to deal damage and heal. Not do lots of damage but get swarmed. Or deal almost no damage and end up surviving long enough to work their HP down eventually. I feel like Scholar is the best balance. Good healing and still got the fairies helping when you wanna atk.
I dont wanna play WhM because it lacks the pet angle I like. And astro has an annoying card system I cant get into even tho I tried. Scholar is the only healer I like right now. And other than that I'm all dps. But I've done great things with scholar so I want to make it my main. I just only need one range AoE and I cant do scholar full time and maybe even give up on all other classes. I only do it because no one class give me all I'll need in its skill set to deal with any situation.
Lolo, using aetherpact and dissipation go against who I am. I want more fairies not one that heals one person or vanishes to make me heal more. I'd rather have both fairies around healing and casting boosts while I charged big atks or barriers. But nope. They made it so both fairies do the same thing and all you can do is get rid of then for more healing or send them to heal on person while you heal everyone else. So much more they could do with healers than what theyve done.
"Its fast to just use Succor and Sacred soil than deployment tactics."
I assume you meant to say faster, but no, it isn't. They're the same speed. And when playing as Scholar you should be learning mechanics well enough to put up shields well before they are necessary so speed isn't even an issue. Plus it gives much better shields and you save an aetherflow stack for an Excog or Indomitability. Or even still using Sacred Soil.
"A range AoE would make it so I can take out two enemies at once if both their HP is low."
But if you're soloing a FATE if there are enemies that are low they are already going to be in melee range. If there are other people doing it too then there's no harm in getting close to the mobs as they won't attack you.
Also generally speaking when there are only two mobs, using single target abilities is better.
"I feel like Scholar is the best balance. Good healing and still got the fairies helping when you wanna atk."
It's pretty funny, you keep saying that Scholar is a weak healer, but now you're saying it has good healing? You have called it a boring and generic healer multiple times. If it's so boring and generic then surely playing the other healers would still offer the healing and damage that you desire?
"And I want to deal damage and heal. Not do lots of damage but get swarmed."
But didn't you say that not getting swarmed was one of the reasons you want a ranged AoE?
"I dont wanna play WhM because it lacks the pet angle I like"
And then the very next comment you say how you don't like how pets are done with Scholar.
I got my own way of doing things. I'll stick to my method since no one complains when I heal.
Just stick to dungeons and FATEs then. People would definitely complain in anything beyond that.
Fine with me. I enjoy those more than stuff like Eden Raids. I do those as DPS.
I am curious about one thing though:
So you say that you want more dps abilities, okay. So I assume that means that by extension you also want to dps more.
So then why do you refuse to learn how to use your kit properly? That would allow you more time to dps.
Just to give you a frame of reference: the top healers in the game can even do E12S without using a single gcd heal. They dps the entire time and weave their healing abilities in between casts. Because they know how to use their kit.
Based on what I've read I found a way that works for me. I cant play how everyone else plays. I gotta do my own thing. I read thru what the wrote in the Balance about Scholar and I read over skills for classes I use every day between work. So ask far as I understand my fav classes, I made a tactic that works for me. I dont know any other way to put it.
Sometimes people just wanna go their own way.
